Windows 11 Upgrade?

Durge Driven · Feb 27, 2025

I been making good inroads into improving implementation and time taken for fresh OS.
Down to well under 2 hours to 101% complete including my rig ready to go.

Some that I never realized discovered till now ...I mean like doh.
User Shell ...I never wondered what Location meant lol
Mounted Devices

Like fresh OS finishes.
I set admin rights / UAC
Then I open registry and delete Mounted Devices from System .......what the heck ? lol
Then I run my merged registry and reboot.

On reboot computer and brand are renamed and delegated folders are gone
All library in windows explorer is gone just drive letters left, set account, desktop and lock screen.

All drives, external DVD, 2 x external SSD, 2 thumb drives are all correct drive letters
I use U for my 1TB external, V for Virtual, W for Writer, X- W11 install , Z- 64bit encrypted password for NordPass.
So no more Disk Manager, especially helpful if you have mix of M2 and Sata which puts Sata first.

All my desktop icons magically appear and 1 click in REICON sets them up.

Doing just those manually would take me 15 minutes.
Best of all my desktop and documents are auto updated and archived.

That's only tip of what 1 merged registry does ( over 40 individual registry) over 200kb / 4,000 lines.

RaceNut · Mar 11, 2025

I updated to Win11 pretty early on and had few issues running Intel 13th Gen CPU. Recently updated hardware to AMD + Win11 with lots of GPU / Triples issues to sort out. For some reason, the OS related issues seem to vary quite a bit based on CPU used, at least that's been my experience.

Anyway, once I figured those issues out, games are running better than ever.

stigs2cousin · Mar 11, 2025

For someone who hates PCs and doesn´t like the chore of trouble shooting with a PC that runs fine and performant with quad monitors, Audio and Tactile system with an intricate Simhub installation and additional Sim flight controls, please enlighten me why I should "Upgrade" to a newer OS that probably would grenade all that??

Durge Driven · Mar 11, 2025

stigs2cousin said:
......please enlighten me why I should "Upgrade" to a newer OS that probably would grenade all that??

You absolutely should not.

My advice regarding OS updates has never changed since around W7.
Use another Drive.
W11 Pro only needs 100GB
Cheap 500GB SSD leaves you 300+GB for a D:\drive to backup up drivers and everything.

Then you can just swap OS in Bios when you feel like working on W11.
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Only when you satisfied do you think about swapping.

P.S. W11 has a funky setup
Click next next will bring up W10 installer
When it asks you to connect to internet.

SHIFT + F10 to open cmd window
Click on the cursor so you can type.
TYPE: oobe\bypassnro
Setup will reboot and you will have same button as in W10 available : " I don't have internet"
Continue install same as W10.

Neilski · Mar 12, 2025

stigs2cousin said:
For someone who hates PCs and doesn´t like the chore of trouble shooting with a PC that runs fine and performant with quad monitors, Audio and Tactile system with an intricate Simhub installation and additional Sim flight controls, please enlighten me why I should "Upgrade" to a newer OS that probably would grenade all that??

Excellent question. I think the answer is to put it off until the lack of updates or an app that won't work under W10 (depending on your risk appetite!

) forces your hand.

This post made me wonder if WMR headsets can be made to work under Linux. A few minutes of reading some search results and it seems the answer is "sort of".

stigs2cousin · Mar 12, 2025

Thanks guys,
you confirmed my suspicion.

Wait and see it is.

Spinelli · Mar 14, 2025

stigs2cousin said:
For someone who hates PCs and doesn´t like the chore of trouble shooting with a PC that runs fine and performant with quad monitors, Audio and Tactile system with an intricate Simhub installation and additional Sim flight controls, please enlighten me why I should "Upgrade" to a newer OS that probably would grenade all that??

There's no reason to update. I don't see what W11 has / is capable of that W10 doesn't/isn't besides some HDR stuff (HDR calibration via W11, Win 11 auto-HDR, and Nvidia's auto-HDR which is supposedly better than Windows' auto-HDR). Other than some HDR stuff, Windows 11 seems even more bloated and slower from most of the tests I've seen and research I've done.

Durge Driven · Mar 14, 2025

Ryzen has significant uplift in 24H2 which has been backported to 23H2 and soon to 22H2.
My W11 Pro has no bloat when everything MS is turned off, uninstalled, disabled

Performance I get in sims now, I would never go back to W10.
Rocks with 64GB ram

Terry Rock · Mar 15, 2025

Durge Driven said:
Ryzen has significant uplift in 24H2 which has been backported to 23H2 and soon to 22H2.
My W11 Pro has no bloat when everything MS is turned off, uninstalled, disabled
Performance I get in sims now, I would never go back to W10.
Rocks with 64GB ram

24H2 is very nice indeed from a performance standpoint.
I could not believe the uplift in every single racing simulation.
I went from approximately 125 fps average in AC, to 168...with no other changes.
The only reason I cannot switch to it, is the lack of WMR support.

Neilski · Mar 15, 2025

Terry Rock said:
24H2 is very nice indeed from a performance standpoint.
I could not believe the uplift in every single racing simulation.
I went from approximately 125 fps average in AC, to 168...with no other changes.

That's an insanely large differential for an OS update, and implies that the OS had been a massive bottleneck in previous versions, which is really weird. Are you absolutely certain you were comparing apples and apples?

Terry Rock · Mar 15, 2025

Neilski said:
That's an insanely large differential for an OS update, and implies that the OS had been a massive bottleneck in previous versions, which is really weird. Are you absolutely certain you were comparing apples and apples?

Yes on the comparison.
I ran a particular car and track in 23H2 then without doing any other changes, I upgraded to 24H2.
I then started Steam and loaded the exact car/track combination.
I had to do it twice just to verify the numbers.
I could not believe the difference either. It was that impressive.
When I went back to 23H2, I again ran the combination and the numbers had reverted.

Spinelli · Mar 15, 2025

Win 11 is slower than Win 10 the vast majority of the time. Sometimes the difference is meaningless, by like 2 or 3 percent, other times it's significant, by 10, 15, 20 % for average framerates and/or 1%/0.1% lows and that includes with AMD CPUs.

The only time Win 11 is a good idea over Win 10 in terms of pure performance is if using a CPU with a big-little setup, so: Intel 12th-14th gen (if E-cores enabled) and Intel 15th gen (should always leave E-cores enabled).

Even with core isolation disabled, Win 10 is still almost always faster.

Even when using a tweaked OS optimally configured for AMD including the latest AMD updates and drivers, Win 11 is still slower than W10.

Botmeister · Mar 16, 2025

Spinelli said:
Win 11 is slower than Win 10 the vast majority of the time. Sometimes the difference is meaningless, by like 2 or 3 percent, other times it's significant, by 10, 15, 20 % for average framerates and/or 1%/0.1% lows and that includes with AMD CPUs.

The only time Win 11 is a good idea over Win 10 in terms of pure performance is if using a CPU with a big-little setup, so: Intel 12th-14th gen (if E-cores enabled) and Intel 15th gen (should always leave E-cores enabled).

Even with core isolation disabled (Win 11 has it on by default), Win 10 is still almost always faster but disabling core isolation definitely helps.

Even when using a tweaked OS optimally configured for AMD including the latest AMD updates and drivers, Win 11 is still slower than W10.

The differences are indeed noticeable on 1080p/low. Which is the general benchmark resolution. But the 4k results in the video are shown very briefly - and they show almost no difference between W10 and W11.

Modern cpu's/gpu's perform (comparatively) better, at higher graphics and higher resolutions. Adding W10 vs W11 to the test mix is really interesting. But it makes more sense in an actual usage scenario.

This videos is maybe interesting from a benchmark/compare point of view. But imo not for a sim racer. Unless you want your +12th gen cpu to run at 1080p/low which is quite ridiculous and pretty much an exception - not a standard.

Durge Driven · Mar 16, 2025

Well I really don't care what specific tests say could not be bothered even looking at them.
I know W10 and W11 and everything I run is smoother less latency less everything.
W11 uses more resources and memory but does a better job with it.
From everything I run tells me so.

Go back to W10 you kidding, 10% 20% lol
Not on my watch.

The other thing I could never go back to as well is W11 is simply better to look at long hours .. from the icons and fonts to everything else............zzzz
To borrow a phrase: " W10 looks like a cartoon"

The absolute only thing I missed about W10 for a week was the aero.

Spinelli · Mar 16, 2025

Botmeister said:
The differences are indeed noticeable on 1080p/low. Which is the general benchmark resolution. But the 4k results in the video are shown very briefly - and they show almost no difference between W10 and W11.

Modern cpu's/gpu's perform (comparatively) better, at higher graphics and higher resolutions. Adding W10 vs W11 to the test mix is really interesting. But it makes more sense in an actual usage scenario.

This videos is maybe interesting from a benchmark/compare point of view. But imo not for a sim racer. Unless you want your +12th gen cpu to run at 1080p/low which is quite ridiculous and pretty much an exception - not a standard.

4K is often too GPU-bottlenecked to expose other bottlenecks in the system, hence the reason for 1080p tests. Personally, I would have done tests at maximum instead of minimum settings for the most complex loads and then used a very low resolution (eg. 720p) to take resolution out of the equation more.

Durge Driven said:
Well I really don't care what specific tests say could not be bothered even looking at them.
I know W10 and W11 and everything I run is smoother less latency less everything.
W11 uses more resources and memory but does a better job with it.
From everything I run tells me so.

Go back to W10 you kidding, 10% 20% lol
Not on my watch.

The other thing I could never go back to as well is W11 is simply better to look at long hours .. from the icons and fonts to everything else............zzzz

If you want to ignore the facts because they don't suit your idea, then go ahead and ignore them, but that doesn't change the truth and the truth is that W11 is still generally slower than W10.

Regarding latency, there are lots of articles/threads and anecdotal evidence pointing to Win 11 having higher DPC latency than W10.

I may do a huge W10 VS W11 benchmark comparison over the next couple weeks or so. If I do, I'll make sure to post it.

Durge Driven · Mar 16, 2025

Spinelli said:
4K is often too GPU-bottlenecked to expose other bottlenecks in the system, hence the reason for 1080p tests. Personally, I would have done tests at maximum instead of minimum settings for the most complex loads and then used a very low resolution (eg. 720p) to take resolution out of the equation more.

If you want to ignore the facts because they don't suit your idea, then go ahead and ignore them, but that doesn't change the truth and the truth is that W11 is still generally slower than W10.

Regarding latency, there are lots of articles/threads and anecdotal evidence pointing to Win 11 having higher DPC latency than W10.

I may do a huge W10 VS W11 benchmark comparison over the next couple weeks or so. If I do, I'll make sure to post it.

Mate BS alright

I only care about my sims and they are NOT slower in W11 .....you have NO PROOF of that

I don't even push sims anyway ? I USE A FPS LOCK !
So why would I care about extra fps I mean if there even was ?

Headroom is the key to good sims with latest hardware imho.

My W11 encoding copying even my internet is faster more stable then ever with W10.
Also handles multi tasking much better imho. ( shrugs )

Sorry W10 is dead and buried to me.
I would not even use it as a test could not be bothered wasting 2 hours.
People still trying to convince others imho is just sad.

Bob Gnarley · Mar 16, 2025

Still on 10 here. It wasn't broke, didn't feel the need to fix it & I've experienced none of the issues discussed here in this thread. What put me off was talk of ads in the start menu. They can probably be removed but nobody needs that kind of bloat in their life.

Will switch when at some point but am not in any hurry.

Durge Driven · Mar 16, 2025

Spinelli said:
4K is often too GPU-bottlenecked to expose other bottlenecks in the system, hence the reason for 1080p tests.

Exactly! lol
Like I say about ALL tests that run 1080p and people have a go at me, BUT I understand why you do them. ( facepalm)

But they no use to me mate ?

What I going to sit there and dream of how well my W10 in 1080p does while I sim in UW ? lol

Like I said I give sims that much headroom that any extra fps from any OS is irrelevant.

Durge Driven · Mar 16, 2025

Bob Gnarley said:
Still on 10 here. It wasn't broke, didn't feel the need to fix it & I've experienced none of the issues discussed here in this thread. What put me off was talk of ads in the start menu. They can probably be removed but nobody needs that kind of bloat in their life.

Will switch when at some point but am not in any hurry.

My desktop and start menu are better then both W10 and W11 using by Open Shell, Explorer Patcher and WinAero.

Most everything "Bill" is uninstalled and I absolutely don't have ads in fact my desktop is as bare as you get . You can turn all that crap off in settings and some and more ways to customize then W10.

Even the icons and fonts are cleaner once you used to it makes W10 look really old.
W10 I used to get tired eyes on 4K, with W11 I never do.

This is my W11 start menu as you can see every single MS folder and icon is gone.

Hoksu · Mar 19, 2025

Decided to move to Windows 11 since my PC was getting old, got a new rig. Have to say, Windows 11 on default settings is a train wreck, includes a ton of bloatware and bad settings (some of which bizarrely require registry edits to change, instead of being able to change from menu. For example the terrible right-click menu, an extremely rudimentary and frequently used feature butchered and you need to go out of your way to find out how to fix it) and anti-user garbage. Windows 7 and 10 (I skipper 8 so can't talk about that) worked great out of the box with only small tweaks, installing 11 without all the bloatware and setting it to a half-decent state is a lot of work. Worked ok so far AFTER getting everything right. Hardly qualifies as a upgrade though, wouldn't use it if Windows 10 support wasn't nearing its end.

Stuff you absolutely need to do with Windows 11:
1) use Rufus to create installation stick. With Rufus you can disable some of the most awful settings like Bitlocker being on by default and requiring Microsoft Account
2) use Winscript to remove the bloatware (there is an astonishing amount of it), spyware (ditto) and bad settings (ditto)